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"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 10/23/2014 at 23:00 • Filed to: None

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New Hyundai Sonata has a 2.o Turbocharged engine making 245 hp/260 ft-lbs of torque, yet it takes EIGHT SECONDS to get to 60 MPH.

To put that into perspective, the Ford Fusion, which has 240 hp and 270 ft-lbs of torque gets to 60 in 6.8 seconds.

Even some N/A competitors get there faster. The Mazda6 does it in 7.8 and the Honda Accord Sport in 7.5 seconds. Both make less then 200 horsepower.

So tell my Hyundai, where is all that power going? Or are Korean horses smaller then the rest of the world?

Decay buys too many beaters > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:02

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Because gearing, and a stupid slow automatic box.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:03

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Hey, they take their size seriously! But gearing, TC, and other refinement features slow it down. Where is the source on this though?

My citroen won't start > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:03

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Even my car does it faster, and it is a 2 ton SUV.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 10/23/2014 at 23:04

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Motor Trend.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/seda…

Trunk Impaired 318 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:04

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Wrong wheel drive and Im assuming lots of weight and poor front design making it hard to get power down.

Vimto > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:04

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The 2011 Optima SX Turbo, which had the same engine I believe, did zero to 60 in 6.1. Must be a typo or some data wrong somewhere.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:04

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Haha, YES! A modern car the MurderSofa could beat!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > My citroen won't start 10/23/2014 at 23:05

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So does my mom's Vue. Low 7s. Weighs 4,000 lbs.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:06

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Such Mercedes headlamps wow....

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:07

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The only real factor between them would be weight then, the fusion does weigh 200lbs less than the sonata so there's that. May also be how the transmission goes through gears, the sonata may just have a slow slushbox that takes forever to change gears.

Bytemite > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:08

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Axle ratio and fuel efficient gearing.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Vimto 10/23/2014 at 23:08

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Motor Trend got 7.2 seconds.

My citroen won't start > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:08

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7.6 in my case, the engine in the Vue is awesome, a friend of mine has a Captiva.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:08

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Just for reference, the Passat 1.8T does it in 7.5 with a traditional torque-converter automatic and "only" 170hp/184tq. The Passat also get better mileage and offers more space...

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:08

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Damn that looks like a CLA with a slightly different grille.

You can see the similarities.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:09

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If it has the 8 speed trans then it's shifting way before the turbo has time to spool. They got the hp rating from a fully spooled turbo. But that trans is revshiftrevshiftrevshiftrevshiftrevshift before it's doing 60.

Vimto > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:09

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That may be true, just pulling it from here

SonorousSpeedJoe > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:10

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The last-gen Sonata 2.0T had 274 HP, but I think its MPG numbers (which were initially advertised as only trailing the base engine by 1 MPG highway IIRC) went down significantly after Hyundai got caught lying about them - the decrease in power likely has something to do with getting better MPG, which would attract more buyers.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:10

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HOLY FUCK... Look at the weight!

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:10

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240 "Hyundai power" not horsepower

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > My citroen won't start 10/23/2014 at 23:11

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That 3.6L V6 is absolutely lovely.

My citroen won't start > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:11

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Lovelier than my 3.6L H6 I'll admit.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 10/23/2014 at 23:11

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I should've thrown that in too.

The Sonata might be the new Camry.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/23/2014 at 23:12

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Cow power.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:12

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Something something Hyundai copying designs again something something.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 10/23/2014 at 23:13

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It's just a conventional 6-speed auto.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:13

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Its probably the weight.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 10/23/2014 at 23:13

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Our Subaru weighs nearly 700 lbs less.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:16

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No, it's actually Hyundai power, which is calculated with the formula Hp=((torque x RPM)/5252) x (5/8)

not for canada - australian in disguise > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:16

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Seems legit, the 2.0 turbo Optima has 270 HP, and i think it runs 0-60 in the low 6s

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > not for canada - australian in disguise 10/23/2014 at 23:18

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Kia says it'll run in the 6s, but the best I've seen by auto rags is low 7s.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:20

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Well shit then I'm guessing mini horses were used for the power figures

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 10/23/2014 at 23:20

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Malibu turbo weighs the same and does it in 6.3 seconds.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:22

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"Might"?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:23

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It is a huge difference still, but wouldn't the Legacy be in the same class as the Sonata, and isn't y'all's and Impreza?

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 10/23/2014 at 23:23

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Hmm, never seen that formula before. Sounds interesting, can you tell me more?

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:24

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Hyundai has a major hardon for Mercedes-Benz. Look at the Kia Amanti

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:24

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What The.... How in the world..... This hurts my brain

jariten1781 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:24

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C&D also got 8.0 seconds but thinks the 'first drive' press cars may have been gimped by poorly installed intercooler piping.

Hold final WTFness uhh until actual production models roll out.

jariten1781 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:26

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C&D also got 8.0 seconds but thinks the 'first drive' press cars may have been gimped by poorly installed intercooler piping.

Hold final WTFness uhh until actual production models roll out.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 10/23/2014 at 23:26

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Is.

It's the car people who didn't test drive anything else buy. They bought based on features and not quality or performance.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:27

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They use their own to calculate mpg. mpg=Distance(in mythical miles)/Gallons(of fuel used)

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 10/23/2014 at 23:27

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Yeah, it's an Impreza. Still nearly 700 less. The top of the line Legacy is around the same weight as this Sonata. Not sure which is in which class or not.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:27

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If it's an automatic, then I would peg it on an inefficient and/or poorly geared automatic transmission. If it's a manual, then I would say it's tall gearing.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > jariten1781 10/23/2014 at 23:27

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They production models have been out, I've already seen them on the road.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/23/2014 at 23:28

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It must be seriously shitty gearing.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 10/23/2014 at 23:28

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Yeah, I always see those stupid Kia's/Hyundai's and go oooo Mercedes then realize what it is...

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:29

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It is midsize like the Sonata, but it also has the extra weight of AWD.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:29

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I think the 100,000 mile warranty is the modern equivilant of Toyota Reliability.

"Anything goes wrong, I just take it to service"

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:31

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Admittedly though they aren't *that* bad. Sure it's a knockoff but if it's a high quality knockoff then meh. Also notice the lack of badging anywhere on the front. There's one in the hotel parking lot actually. I'm not even sure the back says Kia, just Amanti

not for canada - australian in disguise > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:31

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I dont know, the auto is a little slow to shift, times were probably done in "HNGGG NO CLUTCH NOT A MANUAL" mode

jariten1781 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:32

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Yeah, but all the magazine numbers were from the first drive press cars, not the production models. Have to wait a month or two for 'full test' articles to roll out to see if it's really a dog or if Hyundai just builds crappy pre production vehicles.

Or have an owner do an instrumented test I suppose.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:36

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So much for your turbo, Hyundai. ;P

That's dissappointing, but yay, the Fusion goes faster!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 10/23/2014 at 23:38

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Do does the...

Malibu

Passat

Camry

Altima

Accord

Mazda6

Basically anything when they also have their upgraded engines of course. Except the Accord, which beats it with its base engine. And Mazda6 which has no upgrade.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 10/23/2014 at 23:40

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They're good cars but they don't look entirely that good. They look kinda funny to me.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 10/23/2014 at 23:41

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Yeah, didn't think of that. Don't think that the CVT that's standard across the board w/ the Legacy is all that light too.

03mach1 - Now has a Fiesta ST > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/23/2014 at 23:43

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I'm still surprised they dumbed down the HP rating. My mom had a 2012 Optima SX with 270HP and that thing was actually a lot of fun to drive. It moved for a 4 cylinder sedan! Ya, there was lag and some (a lot of) torque steer but I still think they should have kept it where it was at. And clearly they made a mistake.

On a side note, I wasn't a fan of the last gen Sonota look, but I like this one. I'm kind of surprised so many people hate it.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/23/2014 at 23:47

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if a Benz 2006 ish E class and a Jag S type got hammered off Beefeater gin and hefeweizen then let an up and coming Korean family raise their offspring you'd have the Amanti

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/24/2014 at 00:09

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I'd take an Accord V6

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 10/24/2014 at 00:11

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I'm a big fan of the new Chrysler 200, so that's my choice. Maybe the Malibu.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/24/2014 at 00:20

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I was just going off of this list. I'd take a new 200(C or S? I'm not sure which is better) over anything on that list.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/24/2014 at 00:23

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my 200hp GLI takes 5.8-6.3.... this is confusing me....

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/24/2014 at 00:23

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Wow. That's slower than my mom's old TrailBlazer with the Vortec 4200 I6 by 0.2 seconds. It's slower than her old 2012 Focus by 0.3 seconds. Her new Passat 1.8T does the deed 0.7 seconds faster while on regular fuel in a 1.8 liter turbocharged engine with 174 bhp. My classmates, who will inevitably buy these things in the coming months, will have nothing to brag about when they hit 60 slower than a 3-cylinder Mini Cooper or an $18k Volkswagen Golf 1.8T Launch Edition.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 10/24/2014 at 01:38

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It's not that heavy. A Mustang or a Camaro are heavier. A current Maxima weights about the same, as well. A 2014 Accord with a V6 weighs 3,550ish lbs. I'd say ~3600 lbs is completely normal (sadly).

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > All Motor Is Best Motor 10/24/2014 at 01:59

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An Accord makes 38 more hp and weighs 100 lbs less. That said, the Sonata is unreasonably slow. Something has to be wrong with it.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 10/24/2014 at 02:10

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I never said anything about the Sonata not being slow, I'm just saying it's weight isn't out of the norm for a 4 door family sedan.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > All Motor Is Best Motor 10/24/2014 at 02:38

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Which is insane that a midsize car weighs that much when a full size Impala only weighed 3350 less than 10 years ago.

Alex B > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/24/2014 at 07:18

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Chrysler with V6 and AWD is the only way to go.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/04/2014 at 20:10

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Sounds about right.